Ep3: Gifted and Guided

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to The Mediums Voice Podcast. This week's a bit different, it's just me and Michelle. Hello Michelle.

[00:00:07] Hi Phil.

[00:00:08] We've been having a think haven't we about what we're going to talk about?

[00:00:12] Yeah, I might sound a little bit nasally.

[00:00:16] Raspy.

[00:00:17] Yeah raspy, full of cold so you just have to excuse if I start coughing and spluttering.

[00:00:23] I'll put my protection on.

[00:00:25] Your protection shield.

[00:00:28] Yeah, so what we've been thinking about talking about this week is a question that gets asked

[00:00:35] all the time especially by newcomers within mediumship or spiritualism wherever they find

[00:00:41] life after death. Is that gift of mediumship? Is it a gift at all or is it an ability, is it

[00:00:50] a skill that we can all learn? That's the question we thought about this week. So I don't know,

[00:00:56] do you want to go first with your thoughts or shall I go first Michelle?

[00:00:59] Well you go first.

[00:01:00] I'll go first then yeah. Age before something isn't it? Yeah. So I believe that mediumship,

[00:01:10] communication with the spirit world is capable from anyone. The reason I say that is because

[00:01:16] I believe that we've all got this natural ability to communicate with the spirit world, this natural

[00:01:23] ability to sense and feel things. I agree with you on that one yeah. And the best way to describe it

[00:01:29] would be if you walk into a room there's an atmosphere. Everybody has that ability to sense

[00:01:36] that atmosphere and although an atmosphere doesn't give communication of life after death,

[00:01:43] if you meet someone for the first time you get a thought about if you like that person or not. That

[00:01:50] intuition comes through where you feel oh I quite like this person, I gel with that person. To me all

[00:01:58] as we do as mediums is we use them same set of skills but we move our awareness to the spirit world. We

[00:02:05] shift our mind shall we say to the spirit world. You bridge that gap. Yeah and I think that throughout

[00:02:15] however many years it's been now over time like anything you become better at something. The more

[00:02:23] you practice or something the better you. Yeah I would agree with you on that it's like anything in

[00:02:27] life isn't it? There's some of us you know let's let's do art for that's always a good one so art.

[00:02:34] You've got people that can draw stick figures. Yeah which would be me. And then you have some

[00:02:40] people that just have a natural ability to be able to draw and I think mediumship is like that isn't it?

[00:02:46] Yeah everybody can do something at a certain ability or you know everybody can connect and

[00:02:54] do something but I think there's obviously that that is natural isn't there as well. Yeah that's

[00:03:03] that's something else I talk about quite a lot is that so you've got bricklayers. The natural ability

[00:03:08] isn't it? Yeah compare it to bricklayers or any other trades or any other profession you've got people that

[00:03:14] practice trained to do it then you've got some people that are just very very good at the job

[00:03:20] and that's exactly like mediumship to me. But then actually let's throw a spanner in the works as

[00:03:27] well then because I've just thought then because you can get people that can't do it you can get

[00:03:31] people that are very natural at it but you can also get people that work hard that aren't good that

[00:03:38] can be good. That is very true yeah. There's a plan spanner in the works. So people who

[00:03:45] just say practice week in week out but they still struggle to that. It's just come to me though yeah.

[00:03:50] Yeah yeah that's a good that's a good point isn't it? Yeah that is a good point. I suppose then it

[00:03:55] really boils down to I don't know maybe the natural ability might take precedence shall we say.

[00:04:03] I don't know. That's an interesting one isn't it? That's got me that's got me

[00:04:33] I'm sure about that I know that. But yeah that that is a good question. Where did that come from?

[00:04:40] Just out of nowhere wasn't it? It certainly was. Yeah so I suppose if we look at if we look at

[00:04:46] mediumship and we look at especially say pioneers of mediumship historically in modern day

[00:04:54] I think there's always those people that are just naturally better at it. There's

[00:04:58] those people who are naturally good at it. Whether or not that's because of a personality trait

[00:05:04] or something within them is different I don't I really don't know. I suppose a question on the

[00:05:11] back of that would be is this mediumship skill that we have is that something that's passed down

[00:05:18] through generations? See I wouldn't call it skill I would call it a gift. Why do you think that is then?

[00:05:26] Because it's something special isn't it? That connection between this world and the spirit world

[00:05:31] is a gift. It's yeah it's quite humbling isn't it? It's a gift it is something special to be able to

[00:05:38] unite the two worlds and bring forward you know people's loved ones. Yeah yeah it's quite special

[00:05:45] yeah I think you know really it is a gift. Probably the reason I'm calling it a skill is because we're

[00:05:50] talking about all these different things to do with trains. Because you've just finished work

[00:05:54] well that as well yeah. Office environment. Corporate. I best not say too much this is going on the internet

[00:06:01] isn't it? But yeah. Office boy. Now now. I felt like I've been so cute. Yeah you keep laughing you keep

[00:06:12] laughing at it. I'm getting my revenge just by you laughing. It's brilliant. But yeah so I think

[00:06:19] everyone can do it can't they? Yeah. Let's be real. Everyone has the ability. Yes they do yeah.

[00:06:25] Especially when you look at children because you often hear stories about children sensing the

[00:06:30] spring world. All the time. Don't you? Did you when you were? I don't think I really did. No I don't think I did.

[00:06:37] Yeah. You hear a lot of mediums don't you saying I'm a natural medium and I've sent spirit. Yeah whatever

[00:06:43] that is yeah. From a child but I never did. I don't think I did either however I would have to check with

[00:06:51] my mum. I was when was I? I was probably in my 20s. Yeah so for me. Yeah my first experience I was in my 20s.

[00:07:02] So I was a bit younger but um. Don't boast. But yeah I think I only started to really sense

[00:07:11] spirit when I went out my way to investigate life after death the spirit world. But yeah prior to that

[00:07:19] I don't think I did. What is a natural medium? Begs the question doesn't it? God knows. Is there such a

[00:07:25] thing as a natural medium? I think we're all natural mediums. Exactly I think we are. I think when we talk about

[00:07:34] mediumship it just gets people over complicated don't they? Yeah. And it's something so simple. Yeah. Going back to the

[00:07:41] how you have intuition and that gut feeling when you meet someone. I think that's the same with the spirit world

[00:07:49] and therefore it's as simple as that. Yeah. When someone draws close to you from the spirit world

[00:07:54] you get that gut feeling do I like this person or not? And that in itself is a message really for

[00:08:00] someone because you can get a lot of evidence just from the the feeling of someone can't you?

[00:08:05] Yeah. So yeah I think we're all natural mediums. I'd like to think that everybody was and there isn't

[00:08:11] anybody that just stands out and I'd like to think as well that you know through sheer hard work and

[00:08:16] anybody can can do it if they want to. Yeah. What we spoke about um on the last episode with Les though

[00:08:25] that probably reinforces what we're talking about now because we mentioned how sometimes the best

[00:08:31] evidence is from those people just starting out. Exactly yeah. And then they haven't really developed in

[00:08:37] any way as such. They're just there for the first time just seeing what they get and sometimes that's

[00:08:43] that's the best message isn't it? Yeah. It's the best evidence. Exactly. I could I can sit in a church or

[00:08:49] an open circle somewhere I see someone get up for the first time and I just when they when they work

[00:08:55] and get it right it just gives you fulfillment doesn't it because you sat there and you're like

[00:08:59] go on you've you've gone and done it and pushed yourself. Yeah I know and you see the excitement in their faces but

[00:09:05] I mean that even stands right even now for me and I've been doing it you know quite a while now

[00:09:10] and you know the excitement that I get when I know you know that I've. You've had a good a good message

[00:09:17] or communication. Well it's not that do you know what it is it it's more to the point that I want to give

[00:09:24] good message not for myself but for the person. Yes. So every time I give a message I like to give my all

[00:09:34] people so they're getting that experience of being with their loved ones. But when that happens that

[00:09:42] process happens it's quite humbling don't you? It's quite humbling but it's humbling isn't it? Yeah

[00:09:48] but you get you get fulfillment from it. Yes you do. Which is probably what drives us as well to

[00:09:56] to try and be the best we can because like you say there that feeling that you get

[00:10:01] when you unite two people is priceless isn't it? Exactly. And I've said I've said before

[00:10:08] um when I was doing a talk once is that that feeling when you bring someone from the spirit world

[00:10:15] someone here together is like a love that you can't experience any other word. Do you know what? I don't

[00:10:23] think there's any words for it. It's strange isn't it? Yeah for that experience is there? It's so strange.

[00:10:30] But you can't put words to it. Yeah I'd agree with that yeah because it's it's a feeling that's

[00:10:35] sometimes overwhelming that feeling it can be so strong and I don't think I've ever experienced

[00:10:43] that same feeling from anything I've done in life ever from anything else. No no I haven't no.

[00:10:49] I only get it from doing mediumship which is strange isn't it? It is strange. Yeah.

[00:10:54] But good. But you know what obviously we've talked about you know mediumship and can anybody do it

[00:11:00] and I think that they and obviously I think that they can uh especially you know if you work hard

[00:11:06] but there's a lot of emphasis isn't there on guides as well? Yes that is a good subject. It is isn't it?

[00:11:15] Yeah and I know that there's um a lot of people see them as the be-all and end-all as well. Yeah 100%

[00:11:24] and when I first started out actually uh within spiritualism and developing my mediumship that

[00:11:32] was something that was heavily focused on. It was when I first started. Yeah it's so strange yeah and I

[00:11:38] don't know why that is if it's a historic thing or if that's just you know the way that people have

[00:11:44] developed over the years but I remember saying to the spirit world and this is when I was probably

[00:11:51] 14-15 and I said to the spirit world if there is such thing as guides you do what you need to do

[00:12:00] leave me to it and if you need to make yourself known to us or tell me your name or you know let me

[00:12:08] visualize who you are or anything like that then do that whenever the time is right and I remember

[00:12:14] saying that like it was yesterday because nothing I didn't get anything from spirit guides for years

[00:12:19] yeah and then it was about two three years later that's when I then become aware of people

[00:12:25] you know all yours don't you? Yeah now I don't yeah yeah I haven't got a clue about mine um and I'm not

[00:12:32] really sure I'm not really sure that I'd be bothered as well that's probably maybe that's why I don't know

[00:12:37] yeah but I just have this sort of imagination that you know what roles do they do what you know what

[00:12:43] what do they do what do you know in the spirit world I just like we were chatting about this earlier

[00:12:49] I just imagine in my head you have somebody going all right Phil's doing a service next week let's go

[00:12:56] and get John, Jill, Jane and Robert let's go and get them all ready ready for the 17th come on

[00:13:03] it'd be like bingo calling wouldn't it Janice you're up next you're doing your service and they're like oh

[00:13:10] he's got that wrong quick swap it for Susan yeah exactly yeah you hear that all the time as well

[00:13:17] they switch yeah you can imagine where someone's someone's getting up giving off communication and uh

[00:13:24] say I'm Peter in the spirit world and I'm giving this medium loads of evidence and all of a sudden

[00:13:29] the medium just changes the tone and just goes oh well I've got a lady energy building up here and all

[00:13:36] of a sudden it's like bring someone else quick Julie get here and funny enough in um in the

[00:13:44] in the development class I was uh involved in earlier in the year I was telling people that

[00:13:49] happens and it does happen doesn't it because you can watch you can watch people just start out working

[00:13:54] and you see and you sense the shift in the energy as the spirit communicator changes because

[00:14:00] the mediums you can just imagine them on the other side you can't you going quick quick oh no we've lost

[00:14:06] Jim yeah we think it's hard for us but imagine what it's like for them having to rush everyone

[00:14:10] around but yeah there is a big focus on spirit guides and uh definitely they definitely used to be

[00:14:18] I wouldn't say it's as it's as common now though I've found over over the past sort of maybe 10 years

[00:14:26] ish roughly uh maybe a little bit less than that you don't hear about it that often or I certainly don't

[00:14:34] but not as much now is it I think it's because maybe as the world's changing people are changing

[00:14:43] and the people that were getting into mediumship and maybe it's more questionable then it's not as

[00:14:49] evidential is it to say I've got this person who's working with you exactly you can't quantify that

[00:14:56] against anything really as such no and this this is why I kind of think that if there is spirit guides

[00:15:02] I know um I don't like to call them guides because I kind of think of it like yeah and I've built up a

[00:15:10] rapport with people who I would say work with me on a regular basis and um I just treat them like I

[00:15:17] treat everyone else I just talk to them like not in a good way

[00:15:21] love and light love and light I just talk to them how I talk to you know any of my other friends

[00:15:27] and there's there's times when I I do become aware of them when I'm not working with the spirit world

[00:15:33] as such and just like I would my family members in the spirit world which is really really strange but

[00:15:42] I just think if there is guides if they're there to guide you I'm sure they know what they're doing so I

[00:15:49] just have to trust the process and yeah see what happens but yeah what role do you do what do they do

[00:15:57] yeah what what are you doing so so obviously you know I think they help create and build the energy to make

[00:16:03] to make it more receptive for us to communicate I do as well but I also think people's families and

[00:16:12] friends have a role in that uh who's in the spirit world because you'll you'll find that people will go to

[00:16:18] a demonstration where they just they'll say something along the lines of oh I just felt like I needed to go or

[00:16:25] I wasn't going to come but last minute I just changed my train of thought and I just thought

[00:16:30] right I'm gonna go see that medium do a demonstration yeah so when you think about it like that as well

[00:16:37] it's like are things put in place are they planned are they planned for us to be at certain events or

[00:16:45] certain places at certain times and which is what uh we spoke about briefly on the last episode

[00:16:51] wasn't it and I had an experience just recently uh when was it it might have been a week or two ago

[00:16:59] and um basically someone had messaged me and they messaged me about uh a reading that was and they also

[00:17:11] had sent me a message a number of years ago quite a lot of years ago on this message that they sent me

[00:17:19] years ago they were saying like they'd seen me do either a demonstration or a talk or something like

[00:17:23] that and they messaged me saying oh you know it was good they enjoyed it and make like jokingly I

[00:17:30] think make sure you keep your your diary free um because you're going to be doing interviews and

[00:17:35] I thought nothing of it and then that person messaged me a few weeks back how strange yeah for a

[00:17:41] reading and I saw that last message that that person had sent and I thought that's really really

[00:17:47] strange because yeah and I thought was that the spirit world's influence telling that person to say

[00:17:54] that was it planned was all of this always planned yeah it's funny isn't it when you think about

[00:18:00] things like that yeah how people come together the cogs all turn and people end up in certain places

[00:18:07] at the right time and yeah I'm I'm kind of as years have gone on I'm probably of the the mindset that

[00:18:15] some things are planned out yeah I probably agree with you on that one and more so because of this

[00:18:24] that we're doing right now because I remember having this thought probably six years ago about starting a

[00:18:31] podcast and I didn't do anything with it I was a bit like oh yeah I'll maybe do it I might not

[00:18:38] I'm very you've got a proper push me off the off the curb to get this to go yeah um and then it was

[00:18:46] this year obviously we start talking about it and we just start doing it but that made us think as

[00:18:51] well I thought is it the spirit world or is it was this always meant to be so strange isn't it yeah

[00:18:59] so now we talked about guides Phil um and obviously the role that they play um what what are your

[00:19:08] thoughts on angels as well because that's quite a big one it is it's quite a controversial one

[00:19:14] interestingly enough just the other day um because you've got to give what you get from the spirit

[00:19:23] world and they were talking about angels this person um speaking to angels and stuff like that

[00:19:30] so I give that person the communication from the spirit world which is fine I don't personally

[00:19:38] believe in angels as such I don't believe in angels with like fluffy feathers and wings exactly

[00:19:45] but I do believe in angels as people that will come to help us or say for example somebody

[00:19:53] that you loved dearly in the spirit world that's around you could be an angel exactly yeah your angel

[00:20:01] and I think that's it all boils back to our first episode on about preconceived ideas of

[00:20:07] spirit and stuff like that is so do some people see them as higher beings though don't they

[00:20:13] yeah but I think it's it's all about perception I think to me very much like yourself there's no

[00:20:21] people flying around with wings or anything like that I think that's a Christian thing from the

[00:20:25] bible as well isn't it I'm not sure to be honest in all honesty I know it's probably stems going back

[00:20:31] in time historically to some religion somewhere um you always see like angels don't you yeah in

[00:20:38] christian churches with yeah also as well I don't want to belittle um any religion yeah that or

[00:20:47] anyone's thoughts on angels and stuff like that because I think if something gives you comfort

[00:20:52] that's perfectly fine and it's the same with this religion really spiritualism or mediumship is

[00:20:59] I mean it gives people comfort doesn't it thing is as well but you know we're just putting the

[00:21:04] thought out there aren't we nobody knows do they really well we'll never really know no what is true

[00:21:11] and what isn't people's experiences isn't it people's refer to the word angel because it's

[00:21:18] something that is great or something that is good or um has a profound impact upon their lives but

[00:21:24] people have wrote books though phil about angels about angels and speaking to angels angel gabriel

[00:21:32] so I'll pose the question the other week we spoke about near-death experiences

[00:21:39] and when we pass to the spirit world or have a near-death experience people talk about

[00:21:44] a familiar energy a familiar spirit familiar person that greets them what if people's perceptions of

[00:21:54] going to the spirit world was that they would meet an angel because if if people's perceptions of that

[00:22:01] were when they pass to the spirit world they're met by angels because that makes them feel more

[00:22:07] comfortable exactly and I believe that's maybe that's just what they need to be shown to be

[00:22:14] more relaxed to take that transition over to the other side when we talk about angels that's just the

[00:22:21] way the spirit world are shown these people these signs because it's something that they can relate

[00:22:25] to something that's familiar that's interesting something that's quite comfortable yeah it's something that

[00:22:31] they wouldn't be frightened of exactly yeah and I think it would be the same for anything as well if you

[00:22:37] had a belief in something else maybe the spirit world would show you that thing because that is

[00:22:44] something that's relatable to you that you're comfortable with and you're relaxed with I don't

[00:22:49] know we'll we'll never know until we pass but that's just my thought on it um maybe maybe it's just the

[00:22:56] spirit world showing themselves in a different way maybe there's some people out there that maybe know

[00:23:01] a little bit more than we do or have had some experiences with angels that they want to share with us

[00:23:07] and our audience um or if there's somebody out there that wants to chat with us and join us on the podcast

[00:23:14] yeah that would be good I suppose that leads us nicely on to if you've got anything to send in send it in to

[00:23:22] the mediums voice podcast at gmail.com but also if you do have experience like we just said with angels or anything

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